Comments on: Budget Travel: The Good, Bad, And The Ugly http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/ Backpacking Around the World Mon, 10 Jan 2024 06:30:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: Jason http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2604 Jason Mon, 10 Jan 2024 02:32:23 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-2604 I think we will all deal with it in different ways. Some of us remain oblivious to it, some of us deciding to never to visit again, some of us decide to learn from it and some of us will actually try to do something to improve it. We can't control how people will react, but I truly believe it would be best if we all did experience it. It's an education that we wouldn't otherwise get. I think we will all deal with it in different ways. Some of us remain oblivious to it, some of us deciding to never to visit again, some of us decide to learn from it and some of us will actually try to do something to improve it. We can’t control how people will react, but I truly believe it would be best if we all did experience it. It’s an education that we wouldn’t otherwise get.

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By: Jason http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2602 Jason Mon, 10 Jan 2024 02:18:58 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-2602 I get irritated with people that litter and don't recycle in the States too, even after I have traveled to less developed countries. We are more developed, therefore we need to be more responsible. We have no excuses. It's also my feeling that advanced, more powerful countries need to be leaders and set examples, instead of accepting poor behaviors. I get irritated with people that litter and don’t recycle in the States too, even after I have traveled to less developed countries. We are more developed, therefore we need to be more responsible. We have no excuses. It’s also my feeling that advanced, more powerful countries need to be leaders and set examples, instead of accepting poor behaviors.

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By: Shannon (mynetdude) http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2591 Shannon (mynetdude) Sun, 09 Jan 2024 09:09:15 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-2591 Ok... I think I've seen enough, no that doesn't stop me wanting to go travel but it DOES make me think a lot more about what I am READY for, when do I want to step into that environment, I went to Tijuana Mexico yes it was quite different (enough) but it still reeked of US too (not in terms of smell) Mexico is NOTHING compared to what you have described. My mom went to NYC last year (and I recently went in October) she would talk about how there's garbage on the sidewalks in bags (not in cans like we're used to out west); again I thought NYC had it bad! NOPE!!! I want to experience it someday so I can say "i've been there" "you have no idea" "we are fortunate" in other words I'd rather get out of my unsheltered US environment as we're so sheltered here in the US. Who doesn't know that India is poor, or Africa? Many of us know that, but we just don't visualize it and you do a GREAT job of visualizing it. You're right, without being prepared I'm not sure if I would crap my pants or freak out. No amount of preparation can really prepare you for what I'd be about to see if I choose to cross this path; so my question is HOW do you deal with it? Have someone that has done it go with you for a few hours? Ok… I think I’ve seen enough, no that doesn’t stop me wanting to go travel but it DOES make me think a lot more about what I am READY for, when do I want to step into that environment, I went to Tijuana Mexico yes it was quite different (enough) but it still reeked of US too (not in terms of smell) Mexico is NOTHING compared to what you have described.

My mom went to NYC last year (and I recently went in October) she would talk about how there’s garbage on the sidewalks in bags (not in cans like we’re used to out west); again I thought NYC had it bad! NOPE!!!

I want to experience it someday so I can say “i’ve been there” “you have no idea” “we are fortunate” in other words I’d rather get out of my unsheltered US environment as we’re so sheltered here in the US.

Who doesn’t know that India is poor, or Africa? Many of us know that, but we just don’t visualize it and you do a GREAT job of visualizing it.

You’re right, without being prepared I’m not sure if I would crap my pants or freak out. No amount of preparation can really prepare you for what I’d be about to see if I choose to cross this path; so my question is HOW do you deal with it? Have someone that has done it go with you for a few hours?

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By: Christy @ Ordinary Traveler http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2564 Christy @ Ordinary Traveler Wed, 05 Jan 2024 04:05:52 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-2564 The littering in other countries was definitely something that took me a while to get used to seeing. It's funny to me that I get irritated with people in the states who don't recycle and yet people in other countries just throw their trash everywhere. I noticed the car fumes last week when we were in the Dominican Republic. Every time we went into town, I felt like my lungs were being coated with pollution. I don't think I've ever been that sensitive to it before, even in cities like Hanoi. The littering in other countries was definitely something that took me a while to get used to seeing. It’s funny to me that I get irritated with people in the states who don’t recycle and yet people in other countries just throw their trash everywhere.

I noticed the car fumes last week when we were in the Dominican Republic. Every time we went into town, I felt like my lungs were being coated with pollution. I don’t think I’ve ever been that sensitive to it before, even in cities like Hanoi.

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By: Jason http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2477 Jason Fri, 24 Dec 2024 21:12:06 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-2477 It is good to set some expectations. Traveling is a fantastic feeling of freedom and exploration, but yes, budget travel can also be challenging sometimes. I hope you guys have a wonderful trip ahead of you. It is good to set some expectations. Traveling is a fantastic feeling of freedom and exploration, but yes, budget travel can also be challenging sometimes. I hope you guys have a wonderful trip ahead of you.

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By: Sheila http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2471 Sheila Fri, 24 Dec 2024 05:53:09 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-2471 Very informative and well written post. I've been reading many travel blog post lately and I've been inspired to partake in this adventure next year. Thanks for writing this because some people might experience a culture shock if they dont know what to expect. My husband and I were born in Philippines but grew up in NY. I'm trying to sell the glamourous life of traveling on a budget yet at the same time remind him that some places are still going to have squat toilets. We've gotten used to the modern amenities that if were not mentally prepared we might end up unhappy with our decision to travel. Thanks I'll be sharing this post with him. Very informative and well written post. I’ve been reading many travel blog post lately and I’ve been inspired to partake in this adventure next year. Thanks for writing this because some people might experience a culture shock if they dont know what to expect. My husband and I were born in Philippines but grew up in NY. I’m trying to sell the glamourous life of traveling on a budget yet at the same time remind him that some places are still going to have squat toilets. We’ve gotten used to the modern amenities that if were not mentally prepared we might end up unhappy with our decision to travel. Thanks I’ll be sharing this post with him.

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By: Jason http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2082 Jason Tue, 09 Nov 2024 23:41:35 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-2082 It is absolutely a life changing experience and one that I wish everyone could witness, but I understand that's not possible for many reasons. However, I am confident that the world would be a better place if we all had these experiences. It is absolutely a life changing experience and one that I wish everyone could witness, but I understand that’s not possible for many reasons. However, I am confident that the world would be a better place if we all had these experiences.

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By: Jason http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2081 Jason Tue, 09 Nov 2024 23:38:19 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-2081 Thanks Kheir. It is important to know that there is always good an bad, and we need to have some of those expectations. Thanks Kheir. It is important to know that there is always good an bad, and we need to have some of those expectations.

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By: Mariella http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2072 Mariella Mon, 08 Nov 2024 20:32:14 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-2072 thanks for you blog, you give a whole new perspective on travelling. long term travelling is a life changing experience everyone should try, it helps us experience different things and people we would have never met otherwise. Thanks for sharing all your experience, from what I've read so far it has definitely changed your life and your perspective on life, making you a stronger person. Thanks for sharing all your experiences with us :) thanks for you blog, you give a whole new perspective on travelling. long term travelling is a life changing experience everyone should try, it helps us experience different things and people we would have never met otherwise. Thanks for sharing all your experience, from what I’ve read so far it has definitely changed your life and your perspective on life, making you a stronger person. Thanks for sharing all your experiences with us :)

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By: kheir http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-2070 kheir Mon, 08 Nov 2024 10:46:51 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-2070 great blog and the posts are very informative.i love the fact that you give the bad along with the good,it's very important to prepare travellers for these shocks.great work. "Travel is more than seeing of sights;it is a change that goes on,deep and permanent,in the ideas of living"-miriam beard great blog and the posts are very informative.i love the fact that you give the bad along with the good,it’s very important to prepare travellers for these shocks.great work.

“Travel is more than seeing of sights;it is a change that goes on,deep and permanent,in the ideas of living”-miriam beard

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By: backpackers http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-1559 backpackers Wed, 04 Aug 2024 18:25:38 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-1559 Seeing the bad and the ugly reminds us of how good and catered to our lives are when we are in the 1st world rat race environment. We have to remember that a large percentage of the worlds population don't live as we are accustomed to and seeing that other side reminds me how lucky I am to have all the modern comforts this world has to offer. Seeing the bad and the ugly reminds us of how good and catered to our lives are when we are in the 1st world rat race environment. We have to remember that a large percentage of the worlds population don’t live as we are accustomed to and seeing that other side reminds me how lucky I am to have all the modern comforts this world has to offer.

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By: Ivo Stoichev http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-1556 Ivo Stoichev Wed, 04 Aug 2024 07:52:38 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-1556 I vaguely recall one of the Greek philosophers once said that everything is about balance. So it's only natural that something which seems entirely good on first glance to be comprised of good and bad things, and travel is not an exception. But as you said, it's all about getting used to it. I vaguely recall one of the Greek philosophers once said that everything is about balance. So it’s only natural that something which seems entirely good on first glance to be comprised of good and bad things, and travel is not an exception. But as you said, it’s all about getting used to it.

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By: Michael Tyson http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-1549 Michael Tyson Mon, 02 Aug 2024 14:41:31 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-1549 Outstanding article guys! You've summed it up very nicely. Something I would add to the ugly section is misogyny and being a constant target for unscrupulous types - something my partner and I struggled with in our three months in Tunisia, North Africa, along with everything else you've mentioned. Regarding the litter thing, we had a very interesting conversation with a man who was a big fan of Osama Bin Laden. Probably the only thing he said that made any sense to me was his dismay at the Tunisian government’s pro-Western policies and the price he saw his country paying for “development”. Quite simply the more Tunisia “develops”, the more stuff is consumed and discarded and the result is a litter strewn country. True, they haven't established the infrastructure and systems to deal with rubbish yet and that would help but that's a secondary issue - collecting it all into nice neat little piles we don't have to look at is better, not generating it in the first place is best. Early on in the planning stages we decided that we wanted to travel long-term and didn't think we could do this if it meant subjecting ourselves to dodgy, barracks-like, drunken gap-year adolescent-filled hostels. We decided to buy a motorhome and this has meant we have all the comforts of home (and car) and an oasis to retreat to if it all gets a bit much. Also, we still consider this "budget" travel as we save on accommodation, food and transport. Yes, there is the initial large outlay but we'll resell at the end of the trip, hopefully when the pound is a bit stronger, and even with depreciation it won't have cost us very much at all. Our time in Tunisia was pretty depressing and it would take something special to get me to spend any real length of time in a developing country again. We're very open about the less salubrious aspects of our time there and sometimes it feels like we're the only travellers who've been somewhere and haven't had "the time of our lives". I think this article should be published in the National Geographic or on Lonely Planet's blog. It was very refreshing, a must-read for any newbie travelers... actually all travelers! Outstanding article guys! You’ve summed it up very nicely. Something I would add to the ugly section is misogyny and being a constant target for unscrupulous types – something my partner and I struggled with in our three months in Tunisia, North Africa, along with everything else you’ve mentioned.

Regarding the litter thing, we had a very interesting conversation with a man who was a big fan of Osama Bin Laden. Probably the only thing he said that made any sense to me was his dismay at the Tunisian government’s pro-Western policies and the price he saw his country paying for “development”. Quite simply the more Tunisia “develops”, the more stuff is consumed and discarded and the result is a litter strewn country. True, they haven’t established the infrastructure and systems to deal with rubbish yet and that would help but that’s a secondary issue – collecting it all into nice neat little piles we don’t have to look at is better, not generating it in the first place is best.

Early on in the planning stages we decided that we wanted to travel long-term and didn’t think we could do this if it meant subjecting ourselves to dodgy, barracks-like, drunken gap-year adolescent-filled hostels. We decided to buy a motorhome and this has meant we have all the comforts of home (and car) and an oasis to retreat to if it all gets a bit much. Also, we still consider this “budget” travel as we save on accommodation, food and transport. Yes, there is the initial large outlay but we’ll resell at the end of the trip, hopefully when the pound is a bit stronger, and even with depreciation it won’t have cost us very much at all.

Our time in Tunisia was pretty depressing and it would take something special to get me to spend any real length of time in a developing country again. We’re very open about the less salubrious aspects of our time there and sometimes it feels like we’re the only travellers who’ve been somewhere and haven’t had “the time of our lives”.

I think this article should be published in the National Geographic or on Lonely Planet’s blog. It was very refreshing, a must-read for any newbie travelers… actually all travelers!

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By: Aracely http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-1533 Aracely Thu, 29 Jul 2024 11:56:51 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-1533 Thank you Erica, I'm glad you find our blog informative. You don't appear heartless, what you are saying makes perfect sense to me. You highlighted a good that should be included which is that travel gives you a new perspective of live. When we don't travel we think the world is just as we've known it...once we get out there we learn a new way of life. Thanks for being a part of the discussion. Thank you Erica, I’m glad you find our blog informative. You don’t appear heartless, what you are saying makes perfect sense to me. You highlighted a good that should be included which is that travel gives you a new perspective of live. When we don’t travel we think the world is just as we’ve known it…once we get out there we learn a new way of life. Thanks for being a part of the discussion.

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By: Aracely http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-1532 Aracely Thu, 29 Jul 2024 11:53:00 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-1532 Good point. ;) Good point. ;)

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By: Erica M http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-1524 Erica M Sun, 25 Jul 2024 03:00:25 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-1524 First, I want to tell you that I love your blog, it's very informative. When it comes to this subject, I can understand why the bad and ugly would bother you. I don't want to appear heartless by writing this reply. But I share the same experiences as Cris Campos, living in a third world or developing country those things don't bother you. It's very sad to admit, but we see poverty on a regular basis and abused animals that we somewhat become immune to it. When you leave your hometown to live in a developed country, you have a chance to see your country from the outsiders point of view it makes you uncomfortable. Like Cris said, we know what is going on but we don't fully grasp it until we are out of it for a while. The good thing about it is that when you go back home for whatever reason, you have a new and better perspective of the situation and you will find a way to make a difference even if it's for one person. You guys have an amazing blog, great job on it =) First, I want to tell you that I love your blog, it’s very informative.

When it comes to this subject, I can understand why the bad and ugly would bother you. I don’t want to appear heartless by writing this reply. But I share the same experiences as Cris Campos, living in a third world or developing country those things don’t bother you. It’s very sad to admit, but we see poverty on a regular basis and abused animals that we somewhat become immune to it. When you leave your hometown to live in a developed country, you have a chance to see your country from the outsiders point of view it makes you uncomfortable. Like Cris said, we know what is going on but we don’t fully grasp it until we are out of it for a while.
The good thing about it is that when you go back home for whatever reason, you have a new and better perspective of the situation and you will find a way to make a difference even if it’s for one person.

You guys have an amazing blog, great job on it =)

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By: Dustin Main - Skinny Backpacker http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-1463 Dustin Main - Skinny Backpacker Fri, 09 Jul 2024 16:55:57 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-1463 It wouldn't be so 'good' if not for the 'bad' and the 'ugly' in my opinion. Travel can't be perfect :) It wouldn’t be so ‘good’ if not for the ‘bad’ and the ‘ugly’ in my opinion. Travel can’t be perfect :)

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By: Cris Campos http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-1461 Cris Campos Fri, 09 Jul 2024 00:55:44 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-1461 Hi Jason, I'm from Brazil, and I'm in New Zealand at the moment. In between I have travelled to a few other countries too... ;) Hi Jason,
I’m from Brazil, and I’m in New Zealand at the moment. In between I have travelled to a few other countries too… ;)

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By: Aracely http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-1460 Aracely Fri, 09 Jul 2024 00:24:13 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-1460 I agree with you that "flying of the seat of your pants" is part of the fun. But not everyone feels the same, surprisingly a lot of people prefer to be in control of all situations and that just isn't travel. I wanted to make sure people realize this. And I love the inspiration as being part of the good...we feel the same. Thanks for the comment. I agree with you that “flying of the seat of your pants” is part of the fun. But not everyone feels the same, surprisingly a lot of people prefer to be in control of all situations and that just isn’t travel. I wanted to make sure people realize this. And I love the inspiration as being part of the good…we feel the same. Thanks for the comment.

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By: Wanderfly http://twobackpackers.com/4438/reflections/budget-travel-good-bad-ugly/comment-page-1/#comment-1455 Wanderfly Thu, 08 Jul 2024 16:09:45 +0000 http://twobackpackers.com/?p=4438#comment-1455 I do agree with most of this list, and I love that you mentioned that traveling is not a vacation - going to the beach is a vacation! However, while the "ugly" truly is the ugly part of travel, I don't think the "bad" in this list is all necessarily bad. In my experience the discomfort and confusing aspects of travel sometime to turn out to be some of the most enjoyable parts of the experience. Flying by the seat of your pants, getting lost, being confused, sitting on the floor of a bus - those things are all part of the fun. If you let go of the worry that these things sometimes create, they often morph into the "excitement" and "discovery" part of travel! Also, I would add one thing to the "good" list: "Inspiration". I'm always amazed at how inspiring travel can be, pushing you to travel better, travel more often, learn new things, take more chances, and start to inspire others to do the same. While there are some bad things in travel, I think they are outweighed by the massive amount of awesome things. Great post! I do agree with most of this list, and I love that you mentioned that traveling is not a vacation – going to the beach is a vacation!

However, while the “ugly” truly is the ugly part of travel, I don’t think the “bad” in this list is all necessarily bad. In my experience the discomfort and confusing aspects of travel sometime to turn out to be some of the most enjoyable parts of the experience. Flying by the seat of your pants, getting lost, being confused, sitting on the floor of a bus – those things are all part of the fun. If you let go of the worry that these things sometimes create, they often morph into the “excitement” and “discovery” part of travel!

Also, I would add one thing to the “good” list: “Inspiration”. I’m always amazed at how inspiring travel can be, pushing you to travel better, travel more often, learn new things, take more chances, and start to inspire others to do the same.

While there are some bad things in travel, I think they are outweighed by the massive amount of awesome things. Great post!

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